A response to “Secular fundamentalists are the new totalitarians”

A response to Tobia Jones

Tobias Jones has an article entitled Secular fundamentalists are the new totalitarians, available on the Guardian web site.

In this article, he continues the long tradition of Christians crying persecution. It seems that militant secularists like Richard Dawkins are somehow treating Christians the same way.. er.. Christians treat people who don’t have sex the way the Bible says you should.

He opens by saying that atheist fundies want religion eradicated from the face of the Earth. In all honesty, this is true, at least it’s what I would like to see. Considering the dangerous delusions that religion brings, it’s not surprising that some people want to see it gone.

Recently John Ashcroft said he believed government and religion have common purposes: to “build an environment in which people can flourish.”

This sums up perfectly the position that frustrates us. Religion can build an environment where people can flourish but most of the time it simply doesn’t do this. By following the Bible, you are specifically told that certain people and certain groups are ‘abominations’, generally unliked or should be killed. If you want to flourish, you have to ensure that you are following the crowd, do anything different and you’ll most certainly not flourish.

Can Tobias appreciate the frustration of children having to attend schools where they are compelled to take part in religious worship? How about the irritation of knowing that tax payers are funding the perpetuation of this weak minded thinking? Does he understand the annoyance of having religious people insulting others and threatening hellfire. Is it right that I visit a hotel, look in the bedside table and find a bloody Bible in there. Honestly, why would anyone in a hotel room want to casually read this pornographic, incestuous and violent series of stories?

I hope that religion will die out, due to education and sensible debate. An important way of stopping religion will be to remove it from schools. I don’t think private religion should be illegal or banned, this would go to far. If religion is to die, it must die because the majority wish it dead.

1) It should not be funded by tax-payer money
2) It should not be used to encourage hate.
3) Christians have to understand what their symbols represent to others. For some, a cross may as well be a KKK symbol or a swastika. Christians often don’t see how evil their fictional God is. A simple flick through the Old Testament is an eye opener.
4) Christians must not expect anyone to take their religion seriously. I mean, come on. If I claimed to be in contact with goblins who live in the centre of the earth, would you show a sincere interest in my rabid theories or would you laugh?

Tobias and his kind should be allowed to continue to love and fear their imaginary friend in the sky. Our secular society allows this since people are free to believe in any crazy old stuff they chose. Ironically, a religious society could well deny Tobias and his fellow bowers and scrapers the right to talk to an invisible man. It depends on whether or not Tobias choses the ‘correct’ religion.

Society is growing up, we’re learning that religion doesn’t have all the answers. Move on or accept that you’re going to be arguing the virtues of coal-fired transport while the rest of us are heading for Mars.


2 Responses to “A response to “Secular fundamentalists are the new totalitarians””

  1. moorenear60 Says:

    As a response to Tobias Jones article in the Guardian and as a practitioner of the Buddhist teachings I suggest that man needs a religion not for an insurance policy on his next life or giving him some dogmatic ideas to follow that may make him subserviant to a higher being and become a nuisance to his fellow humans.
    A religion ( if one is needed) should be reliable and resonable practice for people to live in the “Present” as cultured understanding individuals while setting a good example to others
    Instead of looking for this superior being ( which is better than other higher beings with all its ramifications ) one should search and develop wisdom and compassion within oneselve.
    Following the middle path wherbye acceptance of other persons beliefs is required but challenges and critique or those beliefs ( including ones own ) is needed.
    Every belief system should be challenged in a cool intelligent way where at the end of it differences in opinion should be honoured. This means one belief system should not be allowed to oppress another so that a more secular society is required within the political and governmental aspect of life. The religious folowing is on a more personal level and as long as it does not harm or interfere in a another persons life then what is the problem ?

  2. Sean Kehoe Says:

    Thanks for stopping by and leaving a very interesting comment.

    I think what you’ve described is man needing a philosophy rather than a religion – I’d agree with this if it is as you said, reasonable, reliable and contemporary.

    As long as religion remains a private thing, I don’t see a serious issue. The problem seems to come from the the religions stemming from Judaeism. Christianity and Islam lay down some pretty unchanging and impractical rules. The God they worship is definitely not a very nice being. It is just too tempting though for people to want to turn their personal religion in to one that affects those around them.

    I’d see religion as being the same as dressing up as a schoolgirl and having your arse beaten with a wooden paddle. If someone wants to do that at home then I’ve absolutely no problem, I say good luck to them. If someone wants to bring this in to schools and government, arguing that this is the only one true way to have fun then I’d say it’s an issue. Personal religion is a good compromise and arguably for more honest since you’re doing the religion for yourself – you’re not roaming out in to the world and saying “Hey, look at me, I’m a Christian and I’m really good”.

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